So today, we're really pleased to be hosting this conversation because it speaks to a moment that is both deeply personal and professional, and it's significant for many women, returning to work after maternity leave.It's a transition that often comes with, renewed motivation and, and I'm sorry here, renewed motivation, staffing priorities, shifting priorities and real questions, about confidence and skills and career decisions and direction in a very fast moving market. Today's session is designed to address that transition head on, honestly, practically, and, with intention. I'm especially, proud to introduce our partner for this session. Akamai Technologies is a great partner of Women Tech Network. They're globally recognized for its leadership, empowering and protecting digital experiences. But what stands out just as much as its commitment to expanding access to technical careers and creating meaningful on ramps for key moments of transition for women. With us today, we have Anna Desousa. 

She leads a global team of recruiters Akamai, driving early talent strategies and programs that hire and train over 200 students and recent graduates annually. She champions program expansion into new regions, builds talent partnerships, and is passionate about leveraging emerging initiatives, talent initiatives to foster diversity, spark innovation and create meaningful impact in the workforce. Jamie Ng is also gonna join us and she's the program manager at Akamai Technical Academy. She brings over ten years of experience in learning and development, and she's passionate about designing programs that empower learners and support career growth in the tech industry. Jamie's gonna talk about the Akamai Technical Academy program, and it's an initiative that is focused on equipping learners with foundation level STEM knowledge to support workforce reentry and prepare for technical career pathways. So I encourage you to listen to this, presentation through the lens of possibility, what's available, what's transferable, and what support can make a real difference, at this stage in your career. 

So with that, I'm delighted to turn things over to Anna and our partners at Akamai. So I'm going to bring Anna to stage. Hi, Anna. 

Hi, everyone. Hopefully, you can see here. 

I'm happy that you're joining us. I'm gonna bring up your presentation. I'm gonna turn it over to you. 

Thank you, Laurie. Appreciate the introduction. Alright. Hi, everyone. So, again, my name is Anna Desousa, and I manage the emerging talent team at Akamai Technologies. So Akamai, just so you know, is a tech company headquartered up in Cambridge, Mass in The US, and I've been in the company for seven going on eight years. And what I'm excited to talk to you all about today is returning to work after a leave of absence, specifically, in my case, a maternity leave. I see a lot of you putting in the chat, you're from India, you're from Germany, UK. I know you get longer maternity leaves than us. I'm a little jealous. But I was lucky enough to have two, five month periods of leave back in 2023 and 2025. And those experiences were very different and taught me a lot about who I am and also changed the way I work, and that was really through a change in values. 

So what I wanna share with you all today is that I think taking a leave from work, whether that's maternity or parental leave, a sabbatical, a medical leave, is a natural time when our values change, so it's a good time to reexamine them. But first, let me tell you just a little bit more about myself so that you know who's talking to you today. So I have been married for six plus years, and I live in Framingham in The US, which is where I grew up. I have two beautiful kids who are pictured there. My daughter Stella is turning three this weekend, so happy birthday, Stella. And my son Charlie is going to be one in a few weeks. So they're almost exactly two years apart, and it is as crazy as you would imagine it to be. I have two dogs and a cat. 

I started at Akamai almost eight years ago, and I'm now, I have the privilege of managing a global team of five. And the responsibility of the emerging talent team is to handle recruitment and all the programming for interns, students, recent grads, as well as some nontraditional training initiatives. You'll hear more about that. I work from home as you can see in my fancy background. And some other fun facts, I'm the president of our Toastmasters chapter at Akamai. I've been involved in Toastmasters for a few years, which is why I try to do things like this and push my comfort zone and talk to people. And I love cooking. I don't have time for a lot of hobbies, but I have been baking breads lately. That's been my thing. 

So let's actually get into the first leave. I'll tell you a little bit about it. So coming into my first leave, I'm pregnant. I'm naive. I have no idea what to expect. And my boss at the time, who had had two maternity leaves of her own at the company, pulled me into her office and wanted to give me some advice. And the advice that she gave me was, first of all, you're gonna have no money for a while after you have kids because day care is so expensive, and that has been true. The second piece was that during my leave, don't check emails at all. And in fact, when I come back, delete all the emails, and I did do that. That was good advice. And the last thing that she said to me was, when you have little kids especially and you come back to work, expect things to change. 

You're not going to be able to work in the same way that you did before, and that's okay. We support you through that, and it's all temporary. So give yourself some grace. And while that was good advice, it was all a little bit abstract to me because I was actually a lot more worried about different things at the time. I was personally feeling very afraid that I was going to be supplanted in my role. I had wonderful team members who were going to be filling in for me while I was on my leave, and I really feared that they would do a better job than me and that I would come back and there wouldn't really be a role left. And that didn't happen. That was just a fear, but that was what was on my mind. 

And I was also starting to wonder whether I maybe needed to look for a new job. I had been at my job for five years, and I had kind of the five year itch where up to that point, I was starting I was always focused on tackling the next big project, getting the next promotion, working as hard and as fast as I could, and I thought, is there any more for me here? 

Is it time to move on? So that's what I thought I would do when I got back from leave. And then my daughter arrived, and I went into labor on my due date. I actually, no joke, sent out my last email, checked off my to do list, closed my laptop, and went into labor. And she came the next morning, and things were so different and so much harder than I expected them to be. And anyone who has been a new parent can probably relate to this, but I was so stressed, so tired. I had no idea what I was doing, and it was incredibly isolating. 

I remember there were so many days during my leave when I was sitting in a rocking chair in the dark holding the baby largely by myself all day because my husband went back to work after two weeks, and I didn't like it at all. I realized pretty quickly that being a stay at home mom is really hard work, and it's probably not for me. So it was a tough leave. And as I got ready to come back to work, I felt excited. And I thought that I would feel anxious because that was mostly what I had heard about. I went back on my first day, and I dropped my daughter off at day care, which went great, and I felt good about that. And I logged on. And at 08:00 in the morning, my first day back, I was pulled into a meeting. And it was one of those, luckily, very rare kind of fire alarm meetings where there was a senior leader very upset at the team, so I was taking the brunt of it and, being yelled at. 

And I was sitting there, honest to god, I had to cover my face because I was smiling, because I was so excited to be talking to adults again. I was excited to be back in my element and feeling confident about who I was and relatively in control of my day, and I realized that I really missed and needed work in a way that I didn't expect. So the rosy glasses stayed on for a few weeks and I remember different things would happen, different interactions, and it didn't matter if something went wrong. I was just happy to be around people again and to be talking to people. And I began to realize that something had changed for me out of my leave, and that was this new lesson, this new value that it's people that matter at the end of the day, not projects, not promotions. And I had really reset. Part of this, of course, was becoming a parent. It changes so much about who you are. Part of it was just taking a leave. 

Taking a break from work was what I needed to get a new perspective on exactly what work had been giving to me for these years. So how did that translate into my day to day? In the little ways, I really try to pause when people reach out to me and just be kind and check-in on how people are. I try to implement it into how I coach and manage my team, And I'm definitely not perfect with it, but it's become a new motto, and it came out of my first sleeve. So after I was back at work for a year, I found out I was pregnant with my second, and I was nervous because I thought that it was gonna be the same as before. I was gonna be back in that rocking chair in the dark, but it wasn't. 

My second child came about two weeks early, and I actually had meetings scheduled for that Monday. So I had to log in at the hospital with the baby and, like, cancel my meetings. That wasn't great. But it was much easier the second time around. He was an easier baby. I was much more confident. I was on medication, so I was less anxious. It was all around great. And it was the kind of maternity leave that I had hoped for. I would be able to strap the baby to my chest like you see in the photo and just go for long walks, listen to podcasts and audiobooks, and do whatever, go shopping. And I found that I had a lot more time to focus on my health, to eat regular meals and exercise, which was always a challenge in my day to day work. 

And I found that I had more space in my brain to be able to think creative thoughts and pursue hobbies and, again, kind of listening to books. So a new version of myself had emerged and it made it a lot harder to go back. I was starting to wonder whether going back to work was the right choice for me. And, ultimately, that choice was made because financially, we can't swing me staying at home. But I didn't wanna have less time with my baby, and I didn't wanna lose this new person that I had found when I was less stressed. So I went back, and it was a harder transition. 

I felt like I was having kind of an out of body experience for the first few weeks, and I had a hard time getting back into it. But I did. I think time contributed its role, and I ended up feeling normal after a little while. But I started carrying forward another lesson and a new value out of this leave, which was to slow down. I began to realize, again, just after taking a break from work, that it's a marathon, it's not a sprint. Health is a whole lot more important than packing your day with meetings. And so now I try to take less on my calendar. I try to pass off projects to people when I need to. 

And if it comes down to a meeting or making time for a meal, I make time for the meal. So this was another huge one coming out of my second leave. So now as I reflect over my entire return to work journey, I didn't think of it like this at the time, but looking back I can see that there were a number of different stages where my values were really developing and it would have been helpful to ask myself certain questions to guide that process along. 

So I'll share those questions with you in case it's helpful. And this is not meant to make it seem like a leave of absence from work is a time for a project and self improvement and all of that. I don't believe that at all. On the contrary, I think that your values are naturally and organically going to change. It just requires a little bit of paying attention to that process to get a lot of value out of it. So in the first stage, preparing for leave, this is where in the first time I was very afraid that I was going to be replaced. Good questions to ask would be, what are my values right now, and what are my goals for my leave? It's pretty simple but important to know. 

Then during the leave, how do I feel and who am I outside of work? Is anything changing for me with my values? And both times for me, things changed, but I didn't quite realize it until later. Preparing for return. It's a time of high anxiety and excitement for probably everybody. What are my fears? What have I missed about work? And what do I want to take with me from my leave? Then at the real crux of it, returning to work, what are my values at work now based on whatever has changed for me? What should my day look like to reflect those values, and what do I leave in the past? And then finally, in the post return period, which is where I am again now for the last, like, six months, have I followed through on my changes? 

So six months later, have I followed through on my changes? Well, with the main lessons that I had learned, people are what matter and slow down, I would give myself a passing grade. It's definitely true that the longer you're back at work, old habits start to reintroduce themselves. And I have the kind of job, like many of you may as well, where you log in in the morning and you're in meetings all day and emails and you're sitting at a desk and the day can fly by and it can be hard to remember these things. But they really resurface all the time whenever I'm making decisions about what to do with my day, and they didn't before. But there's actually a new lesson that has really come into focus over the last six months. 

And it's because, for me personally, in having my second child, I've definitely hit a new wall that I haven't hit before. I am more tired. My day is more full. I can't put in the extra hours at night like I used to. I can't take on the extra projects and go the extra mile all the time, and I absolutely feel guilty about that. I'm used to doing extra. I wanna be there more for my team, so it's a difficult feeling to feel like I have to step back a little bit. So lately, I've been reflecting a lot on the advice my boss gave me way before this all started, which was that particularly when you have little, little kids, things are different, and it is harder to put extra into work. And as cliche as it sounds, it is a season of life. It's temporary. 

And there will be times in the future where if you wish to, you can lean all the way back into your career and do extra. But for now, give yourself some grace. So I've really been trying to remember that lately with sick kids and sick pets and missing work so often, and it's been a really important lesson for me. There's a lot more lessons that I could cover, but I don't wanna talk forever. I think that the moral of the story is ultimately, this is a process that's going to happen by itself, whether you take a month for medical leave, whether you take sabbatical, or whether you're going on parental leave, whatever it's gonna be, it's important to pay attention to the process. 

And by asking questions about these values, we can bring more clarity, purpose, and ultimately joy, I think, to our careers. And even just going through this process of reflection for me, it's definitely brought more purpose to mine. So that's it. Thank you. That's all I got. Happy to answer any questions too. 

Anna, that was fabulous. There's so many there were so many great nuggets of information. I say nuggets of information. I hate that term. But it was so interesting that, you know, it doesn't matter whether it's a it's a a maternity leave or a parental leave or a sabbatical. We all face those fears. Right? And having had my children years ago, I could absolutely empathize with some of the things you were saying. And then having taken some breaks, you know, since then for other reasons, yeah, these are things that continually come up and you and you your priorities do shift organically. Thank you for sharing your story. I really, really appreciate it. So, Anna, let's see. We have some questions here. We can have a few questions, and then we can move to, to Jamie. Let's see. Oh, here's one that's kind of a a real question. 

I have a two-month-old, and I wonder how I would manage work and caring for him. How do you manage your day with two kids? 

Yeah. I mean, I see, Asha, that's your question. I don't know what your plan is for child care. I've had friends and family who have their kids at home while they work from home, and they balance going to meetings and taking care of their kids. I I could never do that. Just for me, the separation is really important. I find that when my kids are at home, like, if they're sick, I feel so distracted and and frustrated. So I sent my kids to a small at home day care during the day, which has worked out great for me. I'm really happy with that. And just trying to create some boundaries around the day, both in terms of work and in terms of making sure my kids are cared for is the way that I manage it. 

It's tough, though. 

It is hard. It is hard. And it's and it you do, you do have to kinda work into it and find out what what really fits for you and and and the family. There was another question here from, Victoria. And I think I dealt with this, so it would be a good one maybe for you to give us some insight. Do you have any advice on managing guilt about sending the kids to day care and missing out on the moments 

with them? Ugh. 

I know. 

That's a 

good question. I mean, I'll be honest with you. I am one of those parents who doesn't feel much guilt about my parents going to day care specifically. I feel a lot of guilt, but it I think it's more centered around work and not being able to give much to work. And I I'm lucky for that because my kids love day care, And I really view it as it's my village because I don't have an alternative fish village. I don't have parents who can watch me kids. So they go there and they play with their friends and their caregiver, and and I'm I feel really happy for them. But, of course, it pops up. I mean, I think there are times when when they're sick, especially, which happens every other week, their first year. Yeah. It's really tough. 

It's really tough because at some days, all I wanna do is be with my kids, and I'm trying to answer emails in between. And and those days are really hard. It it never quite goes away. The guilt is there. 

Yeah. It it doesn't matter when they're in their twenties. You still feel it. Right? When they need you, you feel like you have to drop everything. So I completely understand. Thank you, Anna, for sharing your story. I wanna get to Jamie. So, we'll bring you back at the end if there's some more questions, because I think people are really very engaged on this. It's a great topic. Okay. So with that, we'll see you in a few minutes, and I'm gonna take Anna down, and I'm going to bring up Jamie. Hi, Jamie. You're on mute, love. 

Hello. 

There you go. Okay. So with that, I'm gonna turn it over to Jamie. Jamie's gonna talk about the ATA Technical Academy, and I'm going to bring up you're gonna do a demo. Right, Jamie? I am. Wonderful. Okay. Here you go. 

Thank you. So hello. I don't know if if any of you have joined our previous sessions, where we talked about, Akamai Technical Academy. But I'm just gonna take this chance or opportunity to run everyone through it. And I I saw a question earlier on, you know, being worried about how to catch up, again. This is, well, somewhat, like, helping you catch up, and maybe even, you know, switching your career. Right? So again, this is Akamai Technical Academy. It's an online learning program where, you know, it helps you, skill up in terms of, technical or STEM so that you can, you know, kind of go into this field if you are interested in it. Right? I'm gonna share the website link in chat. So this being the biggest takeaway from the session. 

So if you are interested in this online learning, for STEM, then wanna enter into this, technical career, check out our program. It will help, you know, be like a stepping stone for, like, entry level roles, into this space. I'm gonna run you through the website a little bit. Be sure to watch the videos that we have, right up here in the banner. It it explains the program a little bit more. And then I'm just gonna share with you a little bit about what this, program has to offer. Right? We offer two professional certificates in this, ATA program. One is network engineering and the other is customer consulting and support. So we offer again these two professional certificates and they are, in partnership with Coursera. We have, leveraged their platform to kinda host the the whole training program. So I'll go into one of it as a live example. 

So example with the Akamai network engineering professional certificate. This, professional certificate is made up of five courses. Right? So we have operating system fundamentals, networking fundamentals, managing relation, relational databases, Python scripting fundamentals, and introduction to IT security. So this professional certificate is again made up of, like, five small bite sized courses. Right? And I'll even dive in. So, again, if you're interested, go ahead and enroll. Or and then once you enroll, you can go to the course. And I'll click onto it to show you what it looks like so that you know if it's it's, you know, something you can manage. So you click on go to course. 

So it'll bring you to the first course of, the five courses within this professional certificate, and then you will see the different modules here. So we have nine modules in this one course. And then example, we get started. The course the courses are made up of videos and also readings. I'm not gonna play it. You can go ahead and check it out on your own. For example, we have, readings as well. So just short readings, and then you you kind of go through the the program. You just click on next, and then, you know, you kind of, again, go through, like, the next video or what's up next. Very much like, other online learning programs. So the at the end of it, right, so the end of, you know, all the different modules, we will have a capstone. 

So this is where it's it's almost like a test. Right? So well, it is a test. It is an assessment test where, you know, it's a graded one, so you'll need to pass before you you are marked as, completed for this particular course. If you need help, Coursera has recently introduced this AI coach. So example, you know, you can ask them to give you real life examples, and then just, you know, read through, whatever they they put here just to keep you engaged in the program and give you more information and resources on on what it's like, when you go through the program. 

So this is a fairly new feature. If you don't like it, just click it click it away. So this is what the course looks like on, Coursera. Coursera is, again, our partner. So we have, you know, all our learning material 100% online, and then you can just, you know, go through it at your own pace. Right? I'm gonna flip back into our website. So as a tidbit for everyone who has joined here, to well, Coursera is not, like, a a a totally free platform. So there is actually a monthly fee if you want to subscribe to it, and that ranges between 39 to, like, 59 US dollars monthly. So our tidbit here is if you are keen on taking up this learning program, just go ahead and register here. So once you register with Akamai, there'll be like a it brings you to a Google document. 

And if you let us know, you know, why you would like a scholarship, we would be able to award you with one. And what this scholarship does is, it gives you access into Coursera, into our, Akamai, learning program. So where you will see again those two professional certificates, and you can go ahead and enroll and take those two, certificates for free. Right? You'll be given four months, free access to this learning program. So I see some questions. I'm gonna go ahead and tackle a couple. Alright? So I think I tackled the first is the causes fee, to enroll and compete. So, again, we're offering out free scholarships. If you let us know why you want one, by just going hit here to register. 

And then again, there is a a free form filling where you let us know, and then we'll assign you, a scholarship if, you know, you are able to kind of just let us know why you would like one. Otherwise, it is that 39 to 59 US dollars, monthly subscription to access, this, you know, many many other courses on Coursera. Right? Next question I see is the duration of each course. So the duration of each course varies. And I'll I'll go back into it just because, oh, so that I can see for myself again. It varies between two to three weeks per course, at about a ten hour commit. Right? So to finish the network engineering professional certificate, it's estimated to take about three months. 

And to finish the other professional certificate, the customer consulting and support professional certificate is estimated to take you three point five, months. And this is again at about a ten hour a week commit, to the learning. 

Jamie, we had another question here. Is there is there ability is there flexibility to extend the deadlines? Or are you on a on a on a schedule that you have to complete it by? 

We do have, like, a four month allocation. However, we have received, like, you know, people, like, just needing that additional grace due to maybe personal issues. So if you do need an extension, the request is that you write to us. Let us know why you need the extension, and, you know, that will frequently be granted back, to you. Right? Like, again, just let us know. Yeah. If not, autumn kind of, automatically, we will take it away after four months. 

That's wonderful. Thank you, Jamie, for that. We have another one here. Someone asked Natalie asked, is the course updated regularly? So as things change, technology changes, is it updated? 

So and well, we uploaded it, I think, about three, four years ago. So we haven't done much but introduced, a little bit of the AI. And then there's also, like, forums and where now also the marketing system is done, fairly automatically. We are looking, this year into, you know, just maybe enhancing or or like you say, updating the the causes. But at this point of time, it it's not been updated very much. 

Well, it sounds like they're foundational. Right? So the foundational piece of it still, you know, maintained. So this is really an entry level course foundational. So, right, am I correct? 

Yeah. It is. It is. 

Okay. That makes sense. That makes sense. So you you've answered a lot of questions. Another one here. What kind of background do participants need to have before joining this? Is there is there a specific profile? 

Yes. You need to be interested in this. And I can tell you, if you're not, it's gonna be very hard to finish the program. And this is the truth. Right? Just being very candid here. You don't need, a degree. You don't need any, very fancy background. All you need to do is, again, be interested in it and have, English level proficiency. So again, the whole program is, you know, the videos, the readings, they're all in English. And and also that's like, well, that's kind of the core language that that, you know, it's being taught in. Coursera does have a a feature to translate. Oh, okay. Yeah. 

But, again, the expectation is that when we first wrote it, it was all done in in English, and that's the the, you know, the basic expectations that you Right. Be able to understand the the documentation that way. 

Yeah. Absolutely. Kathy has another question here, and and I was thinking about this, as well. So when you think about this, I mean, you had this program for for three or four years right now, and so you've had a lot of students go through this program. What kind of doors do you see that these certifications have opened for people? 

So Can you speak on that? So once you okay. So it's Akamai's commitment to support, students through this a little bit. Right? So for starters, everyone who finishes, either one of the professional certificates means you have put that three, four months in finished as professional certificate. You would have to write in to let us know. Again, due to some PDPA issues, we can't just find you or reach out to you. You would have to fill in a form so that we can reach out to you. So our sources will do that, and then see if there's any opportunity to match you with, entry level positions within Akamai. Wow. Again, it's not a promise of a job. Right? It's Right. Really isn't. There has to be a few aligning factors. Right? 

Like, there has to be that kind of entry level positions in the country. So if you're not unfortunately, if you're not in a country where Akamai operates, it's unlikely there's gonna be a job opening there. So, I think just to set expectations. Yeah. But if there is, then we would forward, you along to the hiring managers, to further the process along if we feel like you are suitable candidate. So this is one opportunity that Akamai is opening, for learners. I mean, at this point in time, we have also had some apprenticeship roles open up, where we put, some of the ATH, students in. But the other good thing is that, you know, we we see or we have feedback from some of our students that it has helped them get promotions within the company because they've managed to upscale themselves a little bit with some of this knowledge. 

It's also managed to help them, like, get land a role in STEM. I I think this was, you know, one of the happiest stories. Right? Like, they didn't get a job in Akamai, but they got a job somewhere else. And we are we're happy for them still. Right? So we have a couple of testimonials in that, ATA page, the website page. Just scroll all the way down to the bottom. You'll see a couple of testimonials there. We are working currently also this year to, you know, put in a little bit more testimonials. We have already reached out to, our graduates to try to find out, you know, how this program has benefited them or not. And then we'll try to do a couple more stories, to put on the site to share. 

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Jamie, for that. I think the most important thing is to realize this is Akamai's commitment, right, to help other people, develop a foundation in STEM. So it's not just about having a job at Akamai or finding a job. It's about you supporting the ecosystem of driving, people, tech, talent and, education in STEM. So very, very important. I know this has been a very successful program and I know Akamai is very, very committed to it, and we thank you for that. So with that, I think we pretty much have, all our questions answered. So, with that, I wanna thank you very, very much, to to, both Anna, and Jamie for participating, and I'm gonna take you off stage. We'll see you soon, Jamie. Thank you again very much. Oh, I'm gonna bring Anna. Hi, Anna. You're back. 

Hello. 

Hi. We had a couple more questions. If you have a few more minutes, can you take a can you take a few more questions? Okay. So there was another question here about, what about, the impact of your leave on your career trajectory? That, I think, is another thing that people often think about. 

Mhmm. 

I was very afraid of that. I will say I'm very lucky to be in the Akamai environment, in the HR environment, where probably 80% of my immediate work colleagues have had parental leaves and have had kids relatively recently in their career. So it's so understood and so supported. I've just never had an issue with people viewing leads as something that's gonna stop you in your career. What I will say on sort of a softer front is it's been hard to catch up, especially the second time around. I find myself because we had huge system changes while I was out. I find myself still six months later saying, oh, sorry. I don't know what happened last year. I have to check this. I have to check that. 

And that's been uncomfortable to feel like less of an authority after being out, but it's just a a process of one step at a time, I think, slowly catching up. 

That's a great response to that. I think that's a question, or a feeling a lot of people have is that, you know, once they're they're thinking about having a family or taking a leave, like, what's gonna happen when I come back? Is it gonna sort of derail my career? So thank you for sharing that experience. So with that, I think we covered all the questions. Anna, thank you so so much for sharing your story and providing all that insight. And, Jamie, thank you for sharing more information on the ATA. Everybody keep an eye on our our weekly newsletter too. We're gonna be, talking a little bit more about the ATA in there. You can get some more information on that. So thank you very much. 

I'm gonna bring you both down, and I'll talk to you both, in probably in the next coming weeks or so. And so for everybody else, thank you for joining us today. You know, we have webinars, several webinars a month. We've got two, coming up that I wanna make sure that you know about. We've got one, with another partner of ours called Enable that is happening on February 18, and it's talking about building a career, a rewarding career as a woman in tech. And then on February 25, lucky us, we have another Akamai, person proven, presenting, the performance culture, how to lead teams that win, and and that would be delivered by Khalil Smith. You don't wanna miss that one. So thank you everybody for joining us. 

We very much appreciate you being here, and we look forward to seeing you at our next session. Take care, everybody.