OK, so we're gonna get into our escape room. So we're gonna go into the, the rules of the rules of the room. Um So this uh is gonna have two rounds.The first one is going to be um drivers, driver discovery, and the second one is building your dream team. So we're gonna win and lose as a, as an, as a collective. So we win and lose as a team. So we want people to participate and participants are um allowed and encouraged to find outside help because that's so important and we're gonna talk about that the quiz masters decisions are final and we want you to have a lot of fun. So, um so we really want this to be interactive. So if at any point, you have questions when I'm talking, um Melissa's gonna monitor the chat and I'll monitor the chat while she's talking. So we'd really love this to be participatory. If you have questions as we go along, if you have comments, we're gonna ask you to put things in the chat um as we go through so that we can decide whether we can escape the room yet or not. So please feel free to, to, um, to jump in at any time with, with questions as well. Ok, we're gonna go into room one driver discovery.

So, um, the idea here in order to escape this room is you have to find one of these drivers that really, really speaks to you. And when you do that, you can put the answer to that in the chat. Um, or you can just put that you're done. You don't have to actually tell us what your driver is. That's fine. So we're gonna talk a little bit about drivers. A lot of times when you're talking about things, people talk about values and values are super important. Um But they're not the only thing that you should consider when you're thinking about what you should do for your career. So we

already have a question actually, which is a really good one I think for context. So, um Fatima is just one driver. Do I just have to pick one? And I love this question. So before we even dive in to describe what each of them actually represent, I think it's a great question that, that I, I think, you know, I think we all would be like all of them, but

Susie. Yes, absolutely. And, and, and if I go through this list, there's very few that don't speak to me. Um, what we want you to do is pick one if you really can't pick one. in order to escape the room and say, like you're done at least um take three or four that you definitely can, can take out. Um you know, so you can say you're done if you've at least eliminated some of them, but it is really important to find one because because that is the thing that is going to most motivate you. So um so really kind of sit with it and, and see, yes, these three all that, that sounds good and that sounds good and that sounds good. But you keep gravitating back towards one Melissa. Do you have anything to add there?

Yeah, I mean, you said it perfectly and I've always been a expert at what I don't want to do or what I don't like. So for me, it's always been easier because I get overwhelmed too. I'm sure you guys are feeling like, ah, this is like, why wouldn't I want one of these? Right? Like they all seem so positive. So for me, I really would look at it as, ok, what are the things that are not something that I would want? Like in my day to day? Like, they're fun. They're great. Of course, there's an element of me, but like I'm very good about saying what I don't want. So I'd like to start off, which sounds like I'm a very negative person, but I'm not, I promise. Um But I think that that might be an easier approach. To like, like Susie was saying, just kind of like, cancel out the ones that don't, don't really resonate with you and, like, really listen to what's happening, like, as she's describing them. Like, what do you feel like? Oh, that's me. Like the one that you feel like that you'll come back to. Um, but yes, it's a hard job. But, so we're here to help you.

Exactly. We've been through this and, um, and I'll talk a little bit more in a second about, um, the different types of classifications and how we landed on this. But, um, the, the important thing to know is that drivers are what motivate you. So the difference between the drivers and the values is drivers motivate you and values are important to you. So you need both for a good fit at a company. The probably one of the biggest differences between drivers and values is your values, hopefully stay pretty consistent throughout your whole life. Whereas your drivers, what motivates you can, can change throughout life. And I think that that's one of the most important takeaways, even if you don't find your one specific driver that you really want to focus on today. Um, I think that thinking about the, and, and Melissa puts it perfectly as like the seasons of your life as you go through different seasons in your life, your, your drivers, the things that motivate you to change. Like maybe when you come out of school, um you have student loans and money is really important or adventure is really important.

And then maybe if you have kids um having more flexibility in your schedule is important, maybe, you know, you get to the point where maybe giving back is important. So, so things will change and, and you're gonna want to make sure that you always um revisit these drivers. You know, when you, when you feel a nudge that something tells you that things, you know, aren't quite right. It may be time to re evaluate the things that you thought were driving and motivating you. You might find that something very different is and you're not finding that in your current position. So, um, so this is something that the next thing I'm gonna go into is something that Melissa and I disagree with a lot. Um There are lots of different ways to uh classify drivers and we're gonna give you, um, a link tree uh that you can, um, let me see if I can put it in the chat. Now, um I gonna give you this link tree that will allow you to have some resources at the end. Um, including a, a lot of different ways to Yeah. Ok. Um, a lot of different ways that you can classify drivers and so you can do it with five as few as five and I've seen as many as 85 and I really like the 85 and I've gone through those and narrowed it down to like my top five, Melissa thinks that's a little crazy.

I think

that is insane.

And I actually even have, I don't know if you can see these, but I've actually got driver cards that I work with my mentor, my mentees on that we go through and, and just, you know, try to figure out what, what motivates them. Um, but we've decided that for, for this, we're gonna go with broad categories and we're gonna talk about each of these categories and the impact and the, the meaning that it can have on your, on your life. So, um, so we're gonna start with the, the first one, first one is impact or meaning and that's when, you know, you want to make a difference in people's lives, you want the work that you're doing to be impactful and directly affecting others in a really positive way. So that's impact or meaning if that's what drives you, if that's what makes you want to get out of bed in the morning is to like, really feel like you're, you're helping other people, then that is your main driver. So expertise, um, is the person people go to when they have a question? So a lot of times people think the expert has to be like the professor or the coach or the trainer and that is true. Absolutely that those people, um have an expertise in what they're, they're helping people with, but it's not necessarily that it's not necessarily the manager, it can be individual contributors. It could be, you could be the tech person who knows how to get things done.

You could be the Q A person who knows more about the system than anybody else. Um So, so keep that in mind when you, when you think about expertise, you don't have to be the person in charge to be the expert, you're the person that people go to. And so, um, if expertise is important to you, you like being the the person, the first person people think of when they're trying to solve a problem, then expertise would be your, your driver. So material rewards, we purposely didn't put money because this is more than just money.

Uh, it's money, it's part time, it's flex time, it's work from home, it's travel, there are a lot of different material rewards and certain times of your life, these material rewards could be your driver. You could be, um, have an extended family that you have to look after.

You could have student loans. And so money is important. Um So this is one of those drivers though that, that will kind of probably change over time. Um, it might be that material rewards is really important to you at some point. But when you start to feel dissatisfied for work from work that you're doing, maybe this is one of those ones that's changed and maybe you want to maybe have more challenge or you want to be the expert in something or you want to have more connectivity. So make sure to revisit these drivers as you go through. But material rewards is something that um probably all of us have had as our main driver at one point or another in our lives. OK. The next one is um adventure. Uh Another way that you could put that is challenge. And that's when you're motivated by risk, by change, by uncertainty. That's uh what someone who thrives when the environment of the work is constantly changing. And you really like to be stretched outside your comfort zone.

So I would say if you are motivated by this um start ups are the way to go. I've been good in start up for a long time. Um There's no question that the work is constantly changing and there's a lot of uncertainty. So um so if that's your driver uh start ups is definitely a good place to look for that. So next, we have um power and influence. So by this, we don't mean that you're like looking to be the queen or the CEO necessarily, although you, you could be um but really what you want in this case is to influence the, the culture and the direction of your company and you want to be recognized for being influential.

You love to be in charge, you love to make decisions and you might even take like a high ranking title over, over money, like the title and the position might be more important to you if power and influence is one of your drivers. The next one is connectivity. Um And that is all about being with other people. Um being part of a team, you want harmonious relationships, you wanna have significant personal interactions. So if this is the case and you are in a tech job where you're doing very siloed work, you might feel a real disconnect with your work. So you might want to look for a more collaborative environment. If connectivity is your, your main driver, the next one is creativity. So one thing I really want to state here being a person who can't draw a straight line is that creativity is not necessarily artistic ability. Um You can be completely creative without being able to, to draw a stick figure very well. Uh Creativity, what we mean by creativity is, is building things, you wanna make something out of nothing. Uh You wanna connect the disconnected, you wanna be innovative and, and think about things in a really different way. And the last one, but certainly not least is lifelong learning.

So, um life by lifelong learning, we mean the ongoing self-motivated pursuit of knowledge is something that's important to you, not something that um you're doing just for your career just because somebody told you to. But you're a really curious person you wanna know why, why, you know why everything is happening and, and learn new things all of the time. So these are the the main drivers, the main kind of categories of drivers that, that we've seen. And there's nuances between, between all of these as I talked about, probably have like 10 items underneath each one of these. But um we would love to know, we would love you to kind of review this list if you have any questions um about this, let us know. But when you're done, we need to escape this room as a team. So when you're done, um I'd like you to put either done or you can put your, your top driver in um uh impact and influence. OK. Yes. So I see the question here. Impact and influence seem pretty similar. What is the difference? So for impact, it's more, it's more meaning or purpose driven. Um So I would say that the difference is for influence. You want to be in charge for impact, you wanna help other people. So it's, it's a slightly different uh nuance on that. You could have really big impact but not be the person who's the CEO. So I think that's the difference. Oh, excellent. I see some people who are done and putting it in the chat there. This is great.

I see a lot of this community likes to have an impact which I love and so

which is awesome. I'm totally there with you. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And, and by the way, I think some of you guys might have connectivity as one of those drivers because I see a lot of people throwing their linkedin profiles there. So you're definitely looking for connection.

Yes. And um someone asked if they can have the presentation in the, in the link tree that I, I put in this presentation is there. So you'll be able to, um, to, to see the, the PDF that I have out there and then I believe they're recording this and if you vote, if you vote it up or something, if you vote the session up, I think it gets put out for free, something like that. So, yes, we have a bunch of resources in the linkedin, the link tree and we have this PDF. We have both um my linkedin and Melissa's linkedin are in there as well. Sure, no problem.

Some people still coming in with their, with their drivers. We'll give you like 30 more seconds.

It takes a little while to, you know, to figure out. So, Melissa, you're the quizmaster for this room. So you let us know when you think we're, we're to move on and escape. We probably need a coup one or two more people out

there. Yeah. Yeah, we have quite a few people in the room, so I'd love to see a couple more.

Yeah, you could probably just be done too. You don't have to tell us what, what you picked. Um, and like we said, you don't, if you really can't narrow it down to one, you can put one or two or you can just say that you're done and that you've eliminated some. It is a tough choice. Yes, there's no question. And that's, you know, it's, and we're asking you to do this very quickly as a, as an escape room thing. But, but it is something that, you know, sit with it and think about it and say like, if I had a choice, you know, obviously, if there are multiple things that appeal to you, you'd want to find a job that would hit those multiple things. Um And that's really important. But if you had to prioritize, how would you prioritize them? You know. Um And so, so you kind of wait, what, what I do with the, the cards that I have is we put out five at a time we go through and you pick one and then, and then, then you start to compare 1 to 1, like if I had to pick impact over.

So I have a number of these that uh really appeal to me impact and um creativity, but impact is my one. Like I know that that's, that's the one but creativity is really important. I love making things out of nothing. I love connecting things that aren't connected and creating something new. So if I didn't have both in the job. It would. If I just had the impact, it may not be enough for me. So, it is important to, to identify your top one, but also to know what else is important. So, going through this exercise, it's not like, ok, I found the one I'm done. That's good. I'm ready to go. It's more, what are you getting out of thinking through this? Like, that's really, that's really what we're asking you to do ultimately. Sure. Ok, Melissa, what do you think? I

think we're good. I'm excited. I'm excited to keep going here to the second room. Good job, everybody. Um And so this, this probably felt a little bit like, oh my gosh, this is a lot. How am I gonna do this? But you all succeeded. Um And for those of you that still are pondering like you have time, you have access to the resources. So I think it's time to move on to the next room.

Yeah, I think so too. Ok, so room two is the dream team and Melissa will take it from

here. Awesome. So the dream team. So this was a big exercise, right? Picking your drivers and really knowing yourself. I heard a great quote recently while I was listening to a self help book. So, but it really was around. We, we start knowing when we stopped doing, right. So what do we do in the first escape room? We kind of sat with the definitions that Susie was sharing and how it applied to us, what we felt about it. Um So some people do this through meditation. That's a practice. I just picked up recently and I think when we do that and we sit with it and we're still, we actually start to understand more about ourselves. So that's great to do independently. But you don't have to do this alone just like a normal escape or puzzle room. You have a team, you're in the room together with a bunch of other people. So I want to talk about who these people are and these people are already in your life. This is the good news most of the time these people already exist for you. It's how do you identify them so similar to sitting with the drivers and figuring out what is compelling to you where you feel drawn. I want you to spend some time as I walk through this and build your dream team. So get out a piece of paper and a pen. You can put done in the, in the chat or you can start to write people's names, but start to think about these roles and how they apply in your life. Like who's it? It could be a teacher.

It could be um, a parent that you see on the playground with your Children. It could be someone that you work with. It could be a family member. Um So all of these things start to think about these people. It could be someone you don't know. So here's what I want you to do kind of get the, the wheels turning and I'm gonna go like, like Susie did with the drivers, I'm gonna go through the dream team roles. There's five key roles. We, we call the circle of five. These people are gonna help you escape this room, they're gonna help you understand maybe what you should be doing, right? Like by listening to their feedback or even going in search of it and asking them, but you gotta know who they are and what you get from them and you'll see why that's important in a minute. So let's just get going. So there, there's five roles to make up your dream team. The first one is a cheerleader. I think this is pretty self explanatory, but this is the woman or the man that's behind you with their pom poms and they are just always cheering you on regardless. You could fall flat on your face and they'll be like, good job. Keep going. You're awesome. That's your person. A lot of people I find say this is their mom. That is not the case for me. But um that might be the case for you.

Like your mom might be your biggest cheerleader. Your spouse might be your biggest cheerleader even sometimes where you're like, I don't think I actually did so great, but they're still like, oh, I thought you were awesome. That's the person that you're looking for here, right.

That's a very important person to have in your circle of five, your dream team because they're going to keep you motivated, right? They're going to keep you feeling good about yourself. Like we need that. So, so think about who that is in your life and, and write that down the next role, which I always say is my favorite. And I, I think I got called out in one of our first times doing this workshop where someone said it's your favorite because this is who you are. And I'm like, oh crap. And it's true. It is very true. Um So the challenger. Um So this is the person quite the contrary to the cheerleader, this is the person that's going to be like, yeah, I mean, you were OK, but can I give you some constructive feedback on how you could do a little bit better or like, yeah, that wasn't so good. Like, let's, let's sit and talk about how you can improve that and like, they're gonna be brutally honest with you. Um Apparently that's what I am for a lot of my, my network. Um But it's an important role, right? Like I think it really is, it's, it's honestly how we sort of put a mirror on ourselves, but in an objective way, right? So the mirror from the cheerleader is always like, you're awesome the mirror from the challenger isn't, you know, you stink. It's, that was great.

But, you know, or how you grow. Right. Yeah.

Exactly. Exactly. That, that type of feedback.

Exactly. And, and I think, you know, it's, that's why, to me it's like my favorite role because I, I solicit feedback. So I've managed many different teams and I'm always like, I'm a big fan of 360 feedback. I think it should be required of anyone that leads a team. Um And I usually ask my team three things like, what do you, what, what should I start doing that? I'm not already doing. What should I stop doing that, that I'm doing? That's driving you nuts. And what should I continue doing? That's great. Right? And so I'm almost like inviting the challenge looking for surrounding myself with challengers. So I am like a huge fan of this role because again, like Susie said, I think that's what really inspires you to grow and where you get that lens on you that you maybe wouldn't get on yourself or maybe you're too hard on yourself honestly. And it's a better and more healthy perspective from this role. So, super important role. Um Obviously, I'm a huge fan of it zone crusher. Um So this is that person that pushes you out of your comfort zone. Like for me, it would probably be Susie. So this is like, hey, let's go jump out of a plane this weekend. And I'd be like, yeah. Yeah. I'm not your zone crusher. I'm very conservative and kind of like, not into that.

Um, but it's an important role again from a gross perspective and to really challenge you to do things. I have people, like, like Susie in my life that would be like, have you ever thought of this thing that you're like? No, like, have you ever thought of speaking at the women in tech global conference and doing this thing talking about your personal stuff or, you know, I'm speaking in September at a local breakfast for tech women and I'm gonna share my personal story. That's pretty scary and vulnerable.

Um Not something I've ever done. I'll talk about other people's stories. I'll talk about career skills, I'll talk about technology and um customer experience and all sorts of stuff, but I've not shared my own personal story. So, so sort of asked me, have you ever thought about doing that because you have such interesting experience that someone might be able to benefit from. And so they, they were my zone crusher in that moment. And so I accepted that challenge. So, so think about who that is in your circle. And that's, and it could be something fun. Like they just kind of make you alive in a different way than you were yesterday because they're pushing you towards those things that you wouldn't normally do and staying comfortable. I don't, I don't suggest that as a career path. Um It's really not, not um again, back to growth, it's not gonna inspire you to grow or really push you forward. And we all need that. Let's just face it. We all need that sometimes because it's really easy to kind of sit in your comfort zone. It's the safe spot, right? So highly recommend making sure you have a zone crusher in your dream team, um a motivator. So this is what I was mentioning before. I think it again, sort of goes without saying someone that you want you aspire to be like, right? So they, they inspire you, but you aspire to be like them, they demonstrate for you what's possible.

Um I've had a few people tell me that I was out for them, which is amazing, right? And they're like, you know, the fact that you are in this role in technology as a woman that that's so like, I'm, I admire you, I'm inspired by you. And, and so it's someone that's ahead of you. It's someone that you look at and you're like God someday, I hope that I'm able to do that or achieve that or be that. Um And again, it really correlates nicely with your drivers too, right? Like, so if there's something that you're really compelled to make important, who's already doing something like that, who represents that, like in the world, it could be someone you've never met, it could be a famous person, right? It, it could be Bernie Brown, you know, it could be whoever you, that comes to mind that you're like, you just get so inspired by that person and motivated to push yourself. Right? So that's who your motivator is and then finally your safe space and your safe space. Um I mean, that's your, that's your rock, right? This is the person that you can tell anything to. It's usually your best friend. It might be your spouse if those two things are the same. Um And, and you know, you can share all your secrets and they actually don't really do much but listen, right? They're not there to cheer you on, they're not there to kind of say yeah, but and give you like constructive criticism or, or challenge you.

Um They're just there to be a sounding board. They're literally that like your safe space, you can tell them anything and feel totally comfortable with them. And all these people are really important. What's interesting? And I love the question I just saw because I knew someone was gonna ask it. I knew it. It's this question. We always get the question we always get is can someone have two roles? Like can someone have all these roles? Like I challenge you because that's what I do best I challenge you to think a little bit differently about this. Um So for example, you definitely don't want your cheer cheerleader to be your challenger Right. That's gonna be a little bit of a conflict of interest if you, you know, understood the explanation of those roles and why they're important. Um, it's possible that there's overlap but similar to the drivers. I, I want you to think, like, really discreetly about it, I think, um, it's, you're gonna get more value if you have someone that represents these roles because you'll know what you're getting from them and where you need to go. When you need that thing. There are days when I need a cheerleader, there are days where I'm just very hard on myself and I just, I go to a person that I know is just going to pump me up.

It doesn't matter if I fell flat on my face, they're gonna be like, yeah, but remember the time you did this or? Oh my God, you were so inspiring when you did this like some, you know, you need that person so you go to them. So, you know, you know, you need someone to be objective with you. So you go to your challenger. So really think about that because that's, that's why they're important, right? To have those that different perspective and know who they are and by name, like you've written their name

down, it's kind of like the board of directors for your life, right? Like that's a really good way to think about it. You wouldn't want to have a board of one, you know, you really, you really wanna get those different perspectives and have, have different people to go to, for different things. Um, I think that that's, that's really important and know who know who they are by identifying them.

So when you are in a situation where you need a little push or you need a little tearing, you know, who it is that you really can get that from. So, we would love for you guys to kind of go through. Do you have, um, anything more Melissa?

No, no, I think, yeah, I think that's those, that's your task right now is who are these people? And again, if you don't want to write people's names or, or like just, you can write done. But I think, you know, really think through this and at least identify, you know, maybe three of the five, I think kind of the, the exercise, the way that some people will do this is they just start writing down people they know first and then as I talk through or as they think back to these rules, they start to assign them.

Ok. Actually, you know, here's all the people in my circle. Um, I start, I start to assign roles,

OK. As long as you're already done. Yeah. Good job. So you can put down that you're done, you can put down the, the roles that you identified. Um, you don't have to put the, the people's names like, like Melissa said that's, that's for you. But, um, but yeah, just kind of think through and go through and either list people that, you know, you feel are, um, kind of in your, in your circle right now and see if you can match people up to the roles or go through the roles and say, oh, you know what this person kind of performs this function for me.

And like Melissa said, you know, Melissa, you've said in the past sometimes like your hairdresser is right. That's right. That's right. Yeah. So it doesn't have to be a really close contact, although you may be very close with your hairdresser, but it doesn't have to be a really close contact. But somebody that does fulfill this role for you.

Yeah. And again, by the way, similar to your drivers, this can change with the season of your life. Like you might move a geographical area too and meet new people and people start to assume these roles. I had someone ask me, I think it might have been in one of these sessions or maybe after it's like, do these people know that they are this to me? Like, do I ask them? Hey, can you be my cheerleader? I was like, well, that's might be a little bit awkward unless it's like one of your really close friends. But um, it's really for you to know what purpose are they serving the role they're playing for you in your life and where to go to get what you need. Right again. Like who do I go to, to, to get really pumped up? Who do I go to, to get objective feedback? Um, who do I go to? That's gonna like stretch me and push me in directions I wouldn't normally go into? Um, that's, that's really the, the safe space. Absolutely. So safe space is really, that's your rock. This is the person that's gonna listen to you on without judgment. It's super important and tell you everything that, um I'm sorry, you tell them everything that you'd ever want to tell anyone. They're just like you're, you're confidant like that is that is who your safe space is.

Ok. Does anyone have, uh, questions or we'll just kind of let you kind of think, think through and just let us know when you, when you've identified, you know, at least a couple of people and you can obviously take this as a, as something to do. Um, you know, fill in all those, those gaps later as you, as you think through them. Uh Thank you, Tommy. Ok. We'll wait a little bit longer and let like a couple more people finish. Um I'm trying to think of what we can add in here. Let's see. Uh

Yeah, I mean, I think I would say to like make sure, um, like, again, like the drivers continually evaluate if this person is serving this purpose for you too. Right, because, um, things change, your life changes, what you need changes and sometimes who was your cheerleader last year?

Maybe? Isn't your cheerleader or isn't, isn't meeting that need for you anymore? Um, sometimes that happens too. Um, not, not intentionally, but it just sort of does, you know, sometimes based on someone you meet, you realize, like that's the type of cheerleader, like that's the kind of positive reinforcement you need, for example. So, um and Challenger is a very similar thing, right? Like depending on where, where you've gone in your career, potentially or in your personal life, you might need a different person that's gonna challenge you in a different way. Um So, so again, like continue to re evaluate those things over time. Um And then leverage them to identify again, like this is all about escaping your way to your perfect career. So these, these roles are going to help you identify those things, like go to your Challenger and ask them, you know, what do you think I'm good at because they're going to tell you the truth, right? And so they'll help you kind of guide your path too because they, they'll tell you where you need to work on things.

So maybe if you picked a driver that's going to push you in one direction, but you have a lot of things you need to do grow before you can actually like jump right in. That's the person you might want to have a conversation with before you sort of craft your plan and your path.

Yeah. And I would say I actually was talking to somebody yesterday and, um, she's thinking about doing her own business and she's, she was kind of thinking small and her, obviously her challenger said to her, why are you thinking small? You know? Yes, you could have a nice little life, a nice little business and this and that, But you could have so much more impact because this was someone who's being driver was absolutely impact and you could have so much more impact if you think bigger because I know that you could have that influence and, and it could be so much broader than what you're thinking.

So that's the type of thing that your dream team will do for you. Your cheerleader will say yes, go for your own business, but your challenger will say go for your own business, something bigger. Exactly. Ok. So, um how are you guys doing out there? We have a few people that are done. I think we need like maybe one or two more people to kind of let us know they're done before I can maybe move on. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. That's a good question. And Melissa, we've gotten this before. How does the challenger and comfort zone crusher differentiate?

Yeah, that is a good question. So, I mean, really specifically your challenger is gonna be more objective like again, like give you constructive criticism about where you need to grow. But your comfort zone crusher is like that crazy person that tells you you should go jump out of a plane. They're gonna tell you it's, it's different than like Susan's example where they're saying like, why are you thinking small? Right? It's like they're challenging you to think differently.

This person's gonna say, well, I think you should do, you know, create a business that does this, like we should do it together and you should advertise it on TV. And we should like kind of like crazy stuff that you would never think of like totally outside your comfort zone. That's your comfort zone crusher. Like they're going to be the ones that want you to go jump out of an airplane, like at that level and it, so I

keep telling Melissa, I'm gonna have her do that. It's never

gonna happen. Um But that does that help. I think that's, that's the real distinction. It's almost like they're the extreme version of Challenger, but less about challenging you to think differently about yourself and sort of giving you that the tools and the, the criticism or feedback and more about suggesting something you never would have thought of like, like way out there like let's do this or something that you and, and when they say it, you know, because you're like, that doesn't even sound like me.

That's like that's your person, right? When your person says something and you are like, why would you even ask me to do that? Do you even know me? So I have people like that that do that. So, um when you feel that feeling, that person's your comfort zone crusher? Great. I'm so glad Carla.

All right. So I think uh I think we're good. So we have um just like, I think two more minutes. Uh So let's see, we have a, a little bit of a bonus round that we can kind of talk through these a little bit. Um, these are some questions to ask yourself in addition to the, the drivers and to the, um, the dream team to kind of think through, you know, what your clues are to kind of put this, this puzzle together. So, um, so what values are important to you? Um, what are you curious about? What makes you smile, uh, what was your favorite subject in school and why? And what hobby hobbies do you have? Um, and what would you like to try? So, these are just kind of additional things, um, for you to kind of consider and, and, and think about, um, as you go through, uh, I'll give a good example. So, and one of the hobbies that I have that I love is photography, but I would never want to make a career out of it. But thinking about what I like about photography and that it's like looking at things in a different way and getting a different perspective, you know, those things can inform what I want to do. I like the creativity aspect of it.

So that helps me understand that creativity is part of my driver. So these are just some, some additional like things like what excites and energizes you. And I know Melissa, you have something like a like an and what is it like an energy journal or something? Like you kind of mark down like with a plus or minus what you, what gives you energy and you know, drags your energy down during the day. Yeah,

exactly. And kind of like being aware of those things too so that you're like, you get to the end of the day and you're like, here's, here's my high and my low moments almost like that the things that sort of lit me up, I would say like, and trying to pay attention to those things where you feel honestly you feel either like drained or you're energized by those things and you, you know, it's a physical feeling like you can't, you can't deny it like when you feel that the difference in those things.

Um and then similar to Susie, like, there's creative things that I like to do. I, I picked up flower arranging during COVID. I very again, like if someone had told me I would be arranging flowers and love it, I wouldn't have believed them. Um What does that have to do with my career in tech. It's, it's like that time to pause and um see the beauty and everything and then understand that there's, there's a way to arrange things that are appealing and like being open minded about it. So there's all these sorts of things that come, I, I always say like there's a, there's a way to connect things in everything. There's a way to associate things and make them applicable to each other and everything. So,

ok, so I think we're all set. Thank you guys so much. This has been wonderful. Um If you have any questions, you can reach out to Melissa or I on, on linkedin and that's in the, the link tree there. And uh it's been, it's been a great session. Thank you so much. Thank you for participating. We appreciate it.