Pivot into Tech like the 1% by Michelle Carrizosa

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So hello everyone. My name is Michelle Carrizosa. And today I'm gonna be sharing with you everything that I've learned in the past. Oh, at this point it's kind of like 67 years breaking into tech and also helping others. Um And yes early, I'm gonna share that. Yeah.Um Sharing with you everything that I've learned about how to break into tech, even when your background might not be conventional, might not be super coding or might not be even technical. Maybe you are someone who has lots of experience in a different field and you're trying to transition maybe into a six figure career in a top tech company or in any type of tech company. This is the conversation for you and at the end, I'm gonna try to make a little bit of time um for any questions that you might have. So I'm gonna be watching out for those. So make sure to hold those at the end, maybe like in the next 15 minutes, you can start putting them there that way I can not lose them in the chat. OK? So like I said, we're gonna be talking about how to pivot into tech, like the 1% you're gonna understand this concept a little bit more in a few minutes.

And the main goal behind this is that if you're in this conversation right now, you might want to get into tech a little bit more intentionally than you did in your last career. Maybe you're in a role that you are not liking too much right now. So this is the conversation for you to for you if you want to get into that dream tech role with a little bit more of ease, increased confidence and increase clarity. So let's go ahead and get started. So this is the concept that I kind of came up with in terms of like who are the people getting into tech and who are the ones who are struggling to get into. They maybe at some point they are feeling like they are not gonna make it happen. So the 99% and how do I know that this is the 99% doing it is because I was part of this 9 99% right? So I was sending lots and lots of applications. I was applying to a wide range of jobs. I was targeting all the tech companies. I really didn't even know where my niche within tech was. So I was, it's kind of like applying as I did in my previous careers, right? And the second thing is like focusing on a resume format versus focusing on, you know, the need of it and everything that is written in it and also family recruiters and doing a lot of activities that feel a little bit icky. Right.

So let me know if that's you as you're trying to get into that ideal career in tech and there's no shame here. This is a safe space and this is also something that I did. So I got you if you have done any of these. And I'm gonna tell you what that resulted in for me. For, for me, this is a picture of me when I was working in my call center. That that was the experience that I had before breaking into Amazon and I was doing all of the things that I mentioned right here. And the result for me was that, you know, in the pa in for the next two years and a half of my time trying to break into tech. It was yeah, two years and a half, I was getting ghosted constantly getting lots of rejections because I was getting rejections. I was taking those very personal and so I was decreasing in my momentum. So I would get super excited. I would apply for some time. I would get a bunch of rejections then like in a badge and then I would feel like, OK, why do I even bother with all of this? Right. So then I would stop maybe like taking the action.

Hence my time was being wasted because I was still at a job that I didn't fully enjoy that I knew was not, did not have full like enough room for me. So that all ended up being in this kind of like combination and cocktail of negative self talk because I was like, this only happens to me. It's probably me who's the problem? Like my experience is not good enough. So I was making it mean really something about me. And so all of those activities that I was doing, like the 99% resulted in a lot of these really more a little bit of deeper, kind of like um impact in my own life. So once I started doing that for 2.5 years though, I started learning that there were things that were working, working a little bit better than others. And then I decided to just start doing what it was working, what was working for me. So I started then kind of like having conversations with people who were actually getting into these tech companies and loving it once they were in them because I know that if UN unless you're in tech, there's something that I have to say having worked in tech is that not everyone loves their job.

And the main goal for me is to have more women who are working in tech, who are getting paid what they want and who also love what they're doing. So for me, that was OK, like that's what the one person is doing. And so what I noticed was that it was a combination of the right action. So the right strategy that I'm gonna be sharing with you here and then growth mindset, it, it was kind of like a different type of mindset that I was not used to even including in my own type of uh career transition until I did, everything started accelerating a little bit more.

So what we're gonna be doing in this entire conversation is me sharing with you the strategies that I know have worked for my clients. So they are proven strategies and that they also work for me. And I'm gonna be tying along a little bit of mindset that way you're able to accelerate and be like, OK, I'm doing the right strategy now. Maybe it's this mindset thing or vice versa, right? Maybe I have the mindset, maybe I'm already confident, but maybe I'm not doing the right thing and that is gonna be your call. Um So we're gonna be doing that right now and I'm gonna be sharing with you three strategies and a few mindsets along with each one of them. And then we're gonna go um to see if you have any questions. OK. So let's get started with strategy number one. Strategy. Number one is one that I skipped for a very long time. I had a resume that was very old. That was very kind of like lots of fluffy words, like words that I didn't even understand that I got written over at my college when I graduated to get a job. And so for me, I was like, OK, I'm just gonna use this resume forever. Right.

So I was not doing any reframing or repackaging my experience. So when I was sending it to these companies, they just couldn't understand how I was going to solve problems for them. And the main reason why I focus on this part is that a lot of the openings that you see out there. So if you see like Amazon hiring or Google hiring any company that has an opening on indeed, or any job board, they're trying to solve a problem. They really are either growing too fast, they want more hands on deck, maybe they need someone with a different experience, whatever the problem is, there's one and you have to position yourself as a solution for that specific problem, right? And so like I said, the common problems that I even had and maybe some of you all might have is that my resume was including all the experience that I had from the past, even if it was not applicable to the job, it was very generalist. I was reciting a lot and you're going to see what I mean by that is just when you say like, oh, I conducted meetings or I talked to stakeholders like you're not really getting into specifics, right? And the third thing is that they're not targeting a specific role and that is something that you really want to keep in mind there.

Um, you wanna get into a place where you are really getting into a specific role ideally and if not, maybe a few ones, but in a way that you're not spraying resumes and just kind of like just getting out there for all the ones, especially if you're trying to be a little bit more intentional.

Um So now is going a little bit into the repositioning of the experience. How do you actually do that? So when I was writing this slide, it was interesting because I was like, OK, I need to put it in a, in a slide that doesn't have too much text, but I still ended up with lots of text. But the main part that I want you to focus on is the left side. So it's like asking yourself these questions as your reposition in your experience. So as you're looking at your resume right now or like later after the session or after the conference, you wanna ask yourself, like, what are, what problems are they really trying to solve? So look at um you know, like, look at the job descriptions, look at the words that they're using and then compare it to your resume. So those are the two documents that you will have the job description and the resume. And then you wanna make sure that your resume going back to this picture over here that your resume is actually guiding the recruiter or the hiring manager as how you have done this before versus you just kind of giving them a map and being like, ok, figure it out by yourself, right?

That's the difference between having a resume that's telling the right story versus one that is not. And you wanna make sure that the information that you have on there is, you know, bullet points that really speak of how you've solved these problems before. And um everything else probably should go. So for example, if in that next role, it doesn't require, it doesn't say anything about administrative um any administrative tasks you wanna take those out, even if you're proud of them, even if those are things that maybe you did like kind of like as your day to day, you wanna make sure that everything that is on that resume just speaks to how you have done what they are asking for because that is why it is going to enable them to see you as a solution.

They're gonna be like, oh, she has been doing this, this and that, ok, let's go, let's go from there, right? And um I wanted to also add on here, the resume must have that I recommend. So normally I recommend short, I I'm not super into like the whole pretty formats and so on. Actually my own resume is pretty ugly, but it's just, it gets the point across, ok, like people find companies are all over it. So it is doing something right. So it's like short concise sentences, adding numbers to measure my impact and I'm not reciting. So every time that I'm putting in there, I'm coming from a place of like how I've solved something. So I'm like, Ire, I like, for example, the example here of like reciting versus problem solving is me kind of putting conducted and organized meetings. That is really something that anyone can write. So you're not really standing out. The second one, for example, it's a little bit more specific to me, right? Like very few people will have the same experience. I'm like, I manage a team of six and increase the performance by 30% right? Like depending on what your goal looks like there or like your past experience. So that is my my my tip for you to start repositioning your experience.

As you see, it takes um a little bit of comparison between in terms of like the job description and the story that you're telling and the type of story that you're telling. And I know that there will be a lot of questions here. So make sure to just bring them up in a few minutes. Um But pretty much this is the gist of it and then some of them might is to accelerate some of the things to keep in mind is that the best marketing always wins some of the some of my clients when they come to me, they come to me feeling like, oh my God, but somebody else got the, got the, got the role or, you know, maybe they have more experience.

I think we have the assumption that the person who gets the job is the best person, like the most experienced person, they went to the best school and so on. But that is not correct. The truth is that the best, the the person who's marketing themselves, the best that is the person who's gonna get the role. Ok. So that person is able to talk to their experience, they know it like the back of their hand, they're super confident about it. And those are the people that you see getting the jobs. So just think about it that way as you're going through the materials that you do like your linkedin and all of that, like best marketing always wins and you probably a lot of you already have the experience. So it's not like you're trying to, to kind of like trick anyone into hiring you is just believing in yourself and being like the best marketing always wins. All I have to become is like the best marker of my own experience. If not nobody else is going to do it. And then the second thing is that um not all jobs in tech are created equal. Like I say, not everyone who is in tech is like happy and butterflies and all of that, you have to be really intentional about your non negotiables, the things that you really want out of the next role for you to be able to stay longer or, you know, whatever your goal is in terms of career.

So just know that not all jobs just because they're in tech, that doesn't mean that they are the best thing for you. You have to find out what that is and that takes a little bit of research. And that's also why at the beginning I recommended no, not for you to just pray resumes because that just lets in other things that maybe you don't even want and maybe you might end up getting right. The third thing is your experience is so so needed in tech, even if it's non technical, whatever your experience is, we just need people who are ready to solve problems. So you just have to make sure that you're the solution for that. And then the, the fourth thing is that it is a very important one which is adopting a problem solver mindset, even in the job search, you know, when we're in a job and they're like, they throw maybe uh like some sort of problem at you and then you're trying to solve it, right?

Because you're at work, you're getting paid for it. But at the same time when I see people doing the same thing in their job search, they're usually like, oh, you know, I should just give up, it didn't work or whatever. But you have to be like, you're really curious about what's working and what's not working. So you're like, OK, I'm gonna be a problem solver for my own strategy. OK? Like, what did I do here? Why did I do that? I get super curious, are asking questions around the things that you're doing in, in a way that prevents you from just going into negative self talk immediately. Um So I was going to strategy number two, I don't know how my time is going. I think, I think we're looking good for now. Um So strategy number two is focusing on building momentum at least three months at a time before changing something. So I feel a lot of people are usually in the very reactive mode on all the time. Like I mentioned earlier, like I get a rejection that means that my resume didn't work or that means that that is of the role for me or that means that whatever, right, whatever we, whatever story we come up with. But the truth is if we're trying to be more intentional, we wanna make sure that we know we want to increase a little bit more of that self belief and be like, OK, these are the things that have worked for other people or that maybe this girl Michelle was sharing in her, in her talk.

So I'm gonna see how I can take in at least three months. Right. So what I'm noticing with a lot of my clients is that when they come to me, normally they have been trying stuff for maybe like a year and a half or something like that and then when they come to me and they, it's time to kind of stick to one strategy. They kind of freak out a little, but I have seen that it either take like two or four months when they stick to one thing and they feel super sure about the specific strategy. So that is something for you to keep in mind on that even let's say that you reframe your experience and you start sending resumes, you might get some rejections. But again, you cannot, you don't have to be reactive. You can just be like, OK, let me try a little bit more and then I'm gonna start getting curious all around the way and maybe like two months in, I can revisit this strategy a little bit more. And as you know, two months can go by super quick in the job search. Sometimes we're like, oh, I want to get into that role in like the next three months and when we see it's already two years, obviously, that happened to me.

And um so some of the application types that I wanted to share with you that have worked for every single one of my clients I worked with over 30 women at this point. All of this work, you just gotta focus on what works for you, depending on your personality. Maybe you're a little bit more on like the networking side, maybe you're a little bit more on like, OK, like I have a few kind of like months before I can leave my job anyway. So I wanna start building my personal brand. So this all depends on you and I don't recommend kind of like doing all the things unless obviously you have the time all also, you're very intentional with them. So and like I said, all of this work have worked for all of my clients have worked for me. So I recommend them all. So it's either sending applications online. I know that on linkedin people really like to bash uh sending applications online. But if you know how to do it, if you know how to reframe your experience, those can really yield better results for you. The second thing is getting a referral, es especially if you know someone in the field or if you're a little bit more so into, maybe you already have a network of people who happen to be working there.

The third thing is if you don't have the network already starting networking, starting leveraging the, the true power of linkedin. And I'm sure there's gonna be talks on linkedin in any of uh in any of the time of this conference. So make sure to watch out for that and you can even do linkedin posts, you can do even profiles. And so those are all the things that you can do over there. And the fourth thing is building a personal brand and attracting opportunities via linkedin. So all you do is that you optimize your, your profile targeting that role, right? Like again, that's why the first step is very important because if you're targeting all the roles, your linkedin is not gonna get found by a lot of people, it's just gonna be very general. But if you're very niche, if you already let's say that you know that you're program management, start researching the words for program management and so on and start reframing your experience to showcase you as a program manager a little bit more and your linkedin is gonna pop a little bit more.

So these are the four app application types and I know that some people have their favorites. I know that some people are super kind of like, oh no, I won't try anything else. But like I said, all of this work is just finding out what works for you to the mindset to accelerate these processes, understanding that trusting the process is important and um always doing more of what's working, let's say that you ended up doing one of these two and maybe from the referrals, you're getting more callbacks, right?

Or maybe you're getting a little bit more people getting you back into an interview. So maybe do more of the referral. You know, that's how you get curious versus being like, oh, no worry, nobody wants me or nobody wants my applications online or it doesn't work. You can just be like, what's working best for me is this and I'm gonna focus on that. The second thing is um quality versus quantity. Again, you gotta focus on sending fewer applications but stronger applications, the ones that you're a better positioned for because that is what it's gonna enable you to get to an offer a little bit faster. And then the third thing which is kind of like um interesting idea that also I've been playing with is like, how is the woman in tech version of you showing up right now? Like if you see yourself one year from now and she's already in tech, what sort of advice is she giving you? What sort of things is she telling you to do? Which way is she telling you to go? And that it also enables you to come up with your own conclusions in a way that is a little bit more intentional.

And then the final thing which I see lots of women doing, even though they have lots of experience in other fields is that they have this student syndrome. They're like, oh, because I'm changing fields. That means that I have to start with an internship or that means that I start, I start to start less than six figures or I have to settle for this job. And the truth is that might be the situation for some people. But if you have more than in my experience, five more, five plus years experience in another field, it's pretty much likely that you can land a higher kind of like level role in a tech company without sacrificing, you know, the salary without sacrificing the level that you're coming in with.

So this is something to keep in mind saying back to the student syndrome saying like I'm not a student anymore, I'm a professional, I'm just transitioning into this new field. I'm about to get paid what I want and I'm not going to be settling for anything less than what I'm looking for. And then now we're going to go into strategy number three. I feel that I'm rushing but I mean, I only have 20 minutes. So um the strategy number three is the final one and um it's tapping into what makes you unique in interviews. Now, as you see, I'm kind of walking you through from A to C how you get into tag like the first one is reframing everything the foundation, the middle part is sticking to the strategy and really taking that seriously growing with it. And then the final thing is the interviews where a lot of the women that I've worked with and even the women who come to me just with questions and so on, they're usually like, the interview is the hardest part because at first the resume is kind of like talking for you, but then you have to talk to that experience.

And so, um, some of the things that I've tried to see is that people try, sometimes they put their next job, maybe the job in tech. If you haven't worked in tech, they put it in a pedestal and they kind of see it as a way to like, ok, they're like, oh, I'm coming in, I'm new again, like the student syndrome type of thing. And they're usually like, ok, I'm gonna try two people, please. I don't wanna ask too many questions. Like I don't want to ask for too much. I don't want like, it's almost like they don't want to stand out in interviews because of the fear of getting rejected by the company. But guess what, a lot of the things that you're going to be doing are the things that I'm putting here and they translate into the actions that we're taking in the interview or how we're showing up, right? And that ends up actually taking people not into an offer. Normally that this type of thinking like I need to fit in a box, I don't need to send out too much. I need to speak like other boring professionals.

Uh My non technical experience is not enough or like, you're maybe like memorizing a script for interviews, all of these shows up and guess what people who are interviewing you, they are just trying to see if you're actually the embodiment of someone who can work there. And so if you're coming up with a script or if like they throw you a curveball and then you answer like, oh, like, I actually don't know or like you're starting to hold back, they're like, that is how that person is going to show up when they're working here. And so that's when the perceived risk happens. And then once they see the risk normally is when I see the people don't get an offer. So at most applicants, things like this and like I said, of course, companies are just looking for someone who has done similar work before, but all throughout the conversation, they're picking up cues. They are like, is this someone I can trust? Is it someone who represents less risk going back to my previous example? Is it someone who embodies the personality of someone who has been doing well in this role? Uh Is it someone who wants their experience and actions? Right? So like if they throw you a curveball and then you try to be as your way around it, they're like, that's a risk like that is someone who, if in a meeting something happens, that person is gonna try to do the same.

So you see, like show up in there as you are, ask the questions, you show up really curious, right? Like if they ask you something and you don't know the word, ask a question about it. I was like, oh, can I ask you about this? Like they're there, they want someone who's that embodiment of someone who's curious and ready to learn and who understands that doesn't know every single thing about tech, right? Because even after six years in tech, I don't know everything about tech. Um And then, so that is kind of like my little thing about um interviews obviously prepared with the Star method and so on, but try to make it sound natural and like to you and it sounds like you, right? So as you see me right now talking to you in this call, that is how I show up in interviews. Like if someone throws a curveball or like a question or whatever, that's how I'm gonna react because I wanna be my full self. I don't want them to hire this boring professional persona that I have. So when I'm there, then, you know, it's all sort of different interactions that you will have. I don't want to make that harder on me already because I'm already switching careers. So try to show up as confident as you can, as authentic as you can and just do your best there in a way that you're not coming from, that fear from that people pleasing from that like, oh I don't want to have too many questions.

I want to negotiate for more and so on. Um And then the minds is to accelerate this when you are to make the interview a little bit of a better experience is thinking of this is another conversation to see if there's a fit at the end of the day, you're trying to see if they are a fit for you too. They're trying to see if you are a fit for them. So that's why you have to be coming with the questions and so on because maybe they don't offer the type of, you know, maybe in the first call you find out that they pay very little and you know, want that. So you get that by asking questions. So it's always a conversation about a fit. I always make um correlation to dating. It's like it's not like you just go to a call into a date. I mean, I've never did online dating, but this is how my friends have said it. Like you just don't go into a restaurant. You're like, oh, like tell me like when you're gonna get married. And so I'm like, you have to go through the motions, but there are things you're finding all along the way to see if there's a fit.

Um And then at the end you decide whether or not it's a fit. The second thing is embracing, showing up with your unique tone and personality. Kind of like how I was telling you right now in terms of like, this is how I talk, I have an accent and I move my hands a lot. This is how I show up in interviews. I'm not trying to be very like coy and so on. Even though I'm nervous, I just try to be who I am because I want them to see the full personality. I'm beyond what they saw in my resume and I want them to see that. Then the second, the third thing is preparing by getting super knowledgeable about your experience versus trying to get a script or, versus trying to have a bunch of notes all over the place. Just focus on getting knowledge of. What about your experience? You're like, OK, what do I remember about about this? What type of questions can they ask me about this that, you know, they might throw me off or something? OK. And then the next one is always ask questions when you don't understand something I already gave you an example on that.

And the final one, which is a very important one that I feel for some reason we forget about is that you have to own the fact that you're in that room for a reason. They really like something that they saw, they saw potential in you, they saw potential of you doing this. So now is you becoming your best marketer of yourself. And so that is what you're gonna be doing in there. So those are the mindsets that I have for you to accelerate. And I think because I'm running a little bit out of time, you can put your questions now in the, in the chat and tell, you know that these are the final notes that I have about getting into tech, you know, techniques what you have, even if you have a non technical experience, you have probably solved very similar problems before in tech, they're not that different.

They're just like a little bit more amplified because companies are a little bit bigger, but the problems themselves are the same. Others have done it. I am the proof of that. My clients are the proof of that. And so that means that you can do it to use that as your fuel to show you that you can do this as well. And then um the thing is that tech hasn't stopped hiring even through a pandemic, so it's probably not gonna stop. So just don't let those kind of like external fears control how you operate in your job search, you stay in your own lane and just kind of like focus on the things that you can control. And then if you embrace your experience as a solution, breaking into tech is inevitable versus you being like, oh maybe it's not not tech material type of thing that is going to be a little bit challenging to, to come across and be confident in an interview, right? Because it's just gonna show up. And then the final thing is that just if you needed the numbers, 53% of jobs in tech aren't technical, you don't need any coding or tech company experience to land those. Um And so those are my little strategies for you. I felt that I rushed a little bit more than usual.

My calls are usually like one hour but um that is the gist of it and I hope that I gave you something that is just not another more generalist type of um kind of like blanket examples of things that you can do this a little bit more like the mindset, a little bit more of the things that actually have worked for a lot of people.

So, yeah, and doing that, I have worked with people who have no, they didn't have any previous degree in technology. They were working. I have worked with people with no degree from all the way from MB A and all these people were able to follow these strategies that I share with you today and they were able to get into companies like this in between 2 to 4 months. So I'm sure that any notes that you took any, I don't, I'm not sure how I can send you these slides to all of you, but maybe like the team is gonna tell me later, but hopefully you can just take more notes on them, revise them a little bit, a little bit more and then you being able to make your own transition into tech in the next 2 to 4 months as well.

Yeah, awesome. So let me see. Um Let me see if I have any questions on here. I'm not sure. I probably have to scroll a little bit off. I saw lots of uh early. Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure how I can share the deck. Um But yeah, so I'm not sure I'm gonna probably ask the team, maybe they have the list of people who join and they'll be able to send you the deck. But yeah, if not, you can just look me up Michelle Carrizosa on linkedin and personally I can send you the deck. Um Let me see, what else do we have? OK. Another question on the presentation. Yeah. So I'm not sure how am I supposed to send that out, but like I said, you can just search me up on linkedin and I can send you the, the file or something. Yeah. Uh And then Miriam had a question. So how do you advise to overcome imposter syndrome? Um I think that Poster Random is a really interesting one and I see a lot of the women like myself, I definitely went through it when I was coming from like retail slash customer service experience into Amazon. I was just like, I just don't, I just don't belong here. You know, I'm gonna get found out any moment now and that, um, I feel that it just happened.

Um, the way that I feel, I don't, I'm not sure if I have overcome it completely, but the way that I guess you deal with it on a daily basis, it just kind of like reminding yourself, right? Like all the things that you are, you are a gift for like the value that you're bringing to the table trying to participate a little bit more. So it's by doing actions that the imposter wouldn't do, right? Like putting yourself a little bit more out there and that takes a little bit of time. But it takes just breaking those patterns that sometimes we have, right? Because if we're, if we're feeling like an imposter, we show up very like shy. I remember that at some point. I was not even asking questions in calls, right? Like I was having a meeting with my team and I wouldn't ask any questions even though I had questions and guess what, like five minutes later, like the man next to me was asking the same question. So I was like, ok, those little things are prompting me a little bit more into taking more action, being a little bit more active and more um being a being more of a like an active participant in all of those activities because they were activities or actions that I was not taking before started making me feel that I was navigating that a little bit better.

I hope, I hope that, that helps if you have a bigger example. Let me know, um, feel free to share it in the, in the conversation here. Um, and then Lisa says, I think the replay section would be where you can re-watch the sessions. Ok. Yeah, I think you guys can just go and, and, and watch the replay and like I said, if not, I'll, I'll just figure out a way to do it and um let me stop sharing my screen now. Um Yeah. And uh before I jump off, I mean, I have five minutes probably or less, let me know if you have any other questions about breaking into tech, maybe share to me what companies you're trying to get into and what your biggest challenges have been and maybe I can give you like a quick of a, a little bit of a tip here if I have any, I'll do that for the next three minutes.

And Lisa, can we connect you with you on linkedin? Yeah, sure thing I'm going to um I can send you my link, uh which I should probably gotten ready. Ok, Lisa, how do we best stand out as a junior when there are so many other applicants? Um Why would you say that you're a junior. Like, um, can you tell me a little bit more about your situation? I just graduated from a boot camp. Yeah. Ok. Um, do you mind sharing with me what bootcamp you got? Like, what type of bootcamp there are so many? Is it like coding, bootcamp? Uh, product management? I know so many. Ok. Yeah. Yeah. Full s web development. Yeah. I think that, um, in general it's always good to stand out in the sense of going back to the mindset part where it's like the, the type of applications that I'm sending or the type of roles that I'm targeting, you have to be kind of like intentional in being like, OK, like they don't have a senior title, right?

And so you know that if you're applying for junior roles, you know, that you do bring other experiences, I'm guessing that maybe you had experiences before you were a full stack web development. And what I see a lot of people who go into coding do is that they disregard their previous experience and then they're like, oh, it's just, it's just started from the time that I completed the boot camp. And I don't, I don't have any other experience. But the truth is when you're as a full stack web developer, you're gonna need how to do, you know, stakeholder communication, you need to communicate with other teams. So if you have done all of those things before, start filling in that gap there. And then in the coding part, some of the things that I would recommend that I've recommended others and have been helpful is just trying to get your hands into as many kind of like um real life examples or like real life projects that you can that way you can just show in that conversation, right?

And like I said, it's just coming in and being super open about like, OK, I just graduated from a boot camp, but I have been doing this type of experiences and they have helped me this, they have been super impactful and so on. So you see if you talk about those things in a way that you believe that they're actually impactful and that they are actually counted as an experience. That's what they're going to see too versus kind of like shying away because you feel like, oh it's a boot camp, it's just a boot camp, you know, but a boot camp is a big deal. And so um coming with that belief is going to be really important in my experience. Yeah. Uh hopefully that helps any other questions before we jump off while you have me here. I'm gonna go in 30 seconds. So let me know unless I see a question, but either way it was great having you guys on here and you know, being super ready to take the notes. So hopefully you're able to re-watch the session and yeah, let me know if you have any questions, I put my linkedin on the chat, you can just reach out to me there or I put a lot of free content out there. I even also had a podcast.

So just make sure to just Google my name and I'll come up somewhere. You should not have any shortage of resources. So, um I don't see any other questions and I think that I'm way past my time. I think it was supposed to be 20 minutes so we can jump off. Now. It was great having you all on here and I look forward to seeing you in the networking sessions and in all the other sessions.